Newsfiend
12-22-2009, 10:12 AM
isaiah655 wrote:
Dev-Ngreth wrote:
KitreX wrote:
Dev-Ngreth wrote:
the only issue with triple attack is it is *not* even
adding it to classes with no or low triple adds a HUGE boost, while classes that already have it at a decent level, get an appropriate amount. This is not really an issue with double attack.
Maybe you can clarify this for me... Does the math in eq work differently because of some code? (As in a skill modifier is set at minimum 1 or something and ignores skills?)
Because adding 1%, 10% or 1000% "more" to a value of zero is still zero, so if they don't have triple attack to begin with there is nothing to mod, and doesn't seem like it would be uneven?
Well first off, we don't have a % triple attack spell effect (thank goodness) we only have an "add triple attack chance"
Second, triple attack is a diminishing returns curve. That means that people with lower values will see a larger gain in DPS. Additionally I think there is actually a class that would get this that has no triple attack, and getting the mod actually gives them triple attack, making the most difference of any of them. (This was true when I was looking at things, it may no longer be true)
So, it works like the crit mod of Enchanter haste. Ordinarily, I have a zero percent chance to crit as an Enchanter, but with my own haste, even I can occasionally melee crit. Is that right?
So, if I had a triple attack mod, I'd actually get the occasional triple attack? That would be very funny, in light of the fact that I can't even dual wield.
there is some indication that it may not add to a zero (the notes for the spell effect says it does not add to someone with no skill) but I have heard from other designers that it does actually add to someone with zero skill.
You DO have to have double attack though for triple attack to work. So classes without double attack cannot triple attack... no matter what value we give them.
More... (http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=159519&post_id=2370147#2370147)
Dev-Ngreth wrote:
KitreX wrote:
Dev-Ngreth wrote:
the only issue with triple attack is it is *not* even
adding it to classes with no or low triple adds a HUGE boost, while classes that already have it at a decent level, get an appropriate amount. This is not really an issue with double attack.
Maybe you can clarify this for me... Does the math in eq work differently because of some code? (As in a skill modifier is set at minimum 1 or something and ignores skills?)
Because adding 1%, 10% or 1000% "more" to a value of zero is still zero, so if they don't have triple attack to begin with there is nothing to mod, and doesn't seem like it would be uneven?
Well first off, we don't have a % triple attack spell effect (thank goodness) we only have an "add triple attack chance"
Second, triple attack is a diminishing returns curve. That means that people with lower values will see a larger gain in DPS. Additionally I think there is actually a class that would get this that has no triple attack, and getting the mod actually gives them triple attack, making the most difference of any of them. (This was true when I was looking at things, it may no longer be true)
So, it works like the crit mod of Enchanter haste. Ordinarily, I have a zero percent chance to crit as an Enchanter, but with my own haste, even I can occasionally melee crit. Is that right?
So, if I had a triple attack mod, I'd actually get the occasional triple attack? That would be very funny, in light of the fact that I can't even dual wield.
there is some indication that it may not add to a zero (the notes for the spell effect says it does not add to someone with no skill) but I have heard from other designers that it does actually add to someone with zero skill.
You DO have to have double attack though for triple attack to work. So classes without double attack cannot triple attack... no matter what value we give them.
More... (http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=159519&post_id=2370147#2370147)